John Salza, a long-time Catholic apologist, has made an extremely good case against the ecclesiological convictions of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). I’ve long said before that, whatever one might legitimately point out about the issues with the current state of the hierarchy in the Catholic Church, the solution embedded into the SSPX narrative is irreconcilable with Scripture, Tradition, and the consensus of the Fathers/Theologians. Consequently, there is no hope within the SSPX to regain something from the Apostolic tradition as understood by historic Catholic theology. Anyone involved would do well to rethink their steps, revisit the cogency of their position in light of what men like Salza are saying, and hopefully see the ecclesiological dead-end in the SSPX for what it is. Salza and Fradd do wonders in this video.
Nevertheless, if one were to think that this interview was supporting the pendulum-swing opposite of cheering on the Pontificate of Pope Francis, in either doctrine or discipline, they might be surprised to find a rather glaring 2-min segment between 2:40:55 and 2:42:20 which I’ve transcribed below. Anyone who listened to the whole video would not be surprised overall since even Salza himself expressed elsewhere in the video his difficulties with the continuity between the traditional Catholic doctrine of Church/State and the extremely controversial decree Dignitatis Humanae, what appears to be St. John Paul II’s “extremely scandalous” sin against the faith when he publicly kissed the Quran, the “Pachamama” event, and a variety of other issues related to the liturgy.
What this shows is that while people are sure to benefit from the clear and convincing case against the imaginative solutions in sedevacantism and the SSPX, this is not meant to squelch all the difficulties that are involved in dealing with the current crisis within Catholicism. One is urged to remain firm in the unity of the Catholic Church by strict adherence to the unity of the Apostolic See, a principle, however difficult to cope with, that is well established in Church history. But no one is put under an illusion that all is well, that we should ignore talking about the problems that are unmistakably displayed by the Roman Pontiff himself and spread throughout the hierarchy, nor that every problem is safely solved. If today’s issues do not exclude the kind of thought that the heir to St. Peter’s throne could be a danger to our children, were he to be a children’s catechist, let alone Pope, then the point of this interview cannot be entirely one of relief.
No, the problem(s) are still there, and they don’t appear to be going anywhere soon. The aim here is not so much ecclesiastical therapy or one’s finally casting off the burden of anxiety that comes with joining what appears to be the antithesis of the real Apostolic patrimony as much as it is simply the raw persevering of the legal principles that undergird the essence of Catholic ecclesiology, come what may. In my own mind, this kind of candid admission from prominent Catholic speakers does not leave us without a bit of self-reflection. Regardless of how theologically correct the arguments are, this should also calibrate just how we treat folks who are flying off to sedevacantism, the SSPX, Eastern Orthodox, Protestantism, and whatever alternative happens to appear especially sweet from the current sewage-vantage point. If anything else were also clear, it is the sheer inconsistency of making one’s undiluted aim of attacking dissent within while also being forced by the undeniable evidence, even if it occurs in a few minutes of time, to admit the matter that plagues all of these souls in the first place anyway.
๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฑ: ๐ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ’๐ด ๐ญ๐ช๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ญ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ด๐ธ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ… ๐ด๐ฐ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ ๐ฎ๐ข๐บ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ท๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฐ ๐จ๐ฐ ๐ธ๐ข๐บ ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐ง๐ข๐ณ ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ช๐ฅ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ ๐ค๐ณ๐ช๐ต๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ช๐ด. ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ ๐ถ๐ฏ๐ด๐บ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ค ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ช๐ณ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฑ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ต๐ข๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ข๐บ๐ด… ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ถ๐จ๐ฉ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ค๐บ๐ฏ๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ ๐ด๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ต๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ด, ๐ฐ๐ฌ.. ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ ๐จ๐ฆ๐ต ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฐ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ช๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ช๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ช๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ช๐ด ๐ช๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฆ๐น๐ค๐ฆ๐ญ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ. ๐๐ฐ ๐ ๐ธ๐ข๐ฏ๐ต ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ข๐ด๐ฌ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด. ๐ฐ’๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐, ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐’๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ท๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ท๐๐๐, ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐’๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ 5-๐๐๐๐-๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ , ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ท๐๐๐, ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ท๐๐๐.
๐๐ผ๐ต๐ป ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ฎ: ๐๐ฉ ๐ข๐ฃ๐ด๐ฐ๐ญ๐ถ๐ต๐ฆ๐ญ๐บ. ๐๐ต’๐ด ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ญ๐บ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ด ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฆ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ด ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐, ๐ข๐ญ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ถ๐จ๐ฉ ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ ๐ด๐ข๐บ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐๐ข๐ต๐ต… ๐ ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ต๐ณ๐ถ๐ด๐ต ๐ฆ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ข๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ถ๐จ๐ฉ ๐ข ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ณ๐ฅ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐บ, ๐’๐ฎ ๐ข ๐ญ๐ข๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐ณ, ๐’๐ฎ ๐ค๐ฐ๐จ๐ฏ๐ช๐ป๐ข๐ฏ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ข๐ณ๐ด๐ข๐บ ๐ช๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฆ๐ญ๐ด๐ฆ, ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ… ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ’๐ด ๐ข ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฅ๐ช๐ญ๐ช๐จ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ท๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฅ๐ฐ , ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ’๐ด ๐ด๐ฐ ๐ฎ๐ถ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ข๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต’๐ด ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด๐ต๐ข๐ฏ๐ต๐ญ๐บ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฏ ๐ข๐ต ๐ถ๐ด…. ๐บ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ธ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ’๐ด 24 ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ข๐บ, ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ถ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ฆ๐ท๐ช๐ญ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ช๐ด ๐ฅ๐ฐ ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ข๐บ? ๐’๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ข๐บ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ค๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ช๐ด ๐ข๐ต ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ, ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ต…
๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฑ: ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฅ, ๐๐๐ ๐ฐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ป๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ด๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐… ๐ฎ๐ข๐บ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐’๐ฎ ๐ซ๐ถ๐ด๐ต ๐ค๐บ๐ฏ๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ… ๐ ๐ซ๐ถ๐ด๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฌ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ด ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ด๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฌ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ช๐ด ๐ช๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ณ๐ถ๐ฆ ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ฉ๐ถ๐ณ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ช๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ต’๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐๐ฆ’๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ค๐ฉ๐ข๐ณ๐จ๐ฆ.
Erick Ybarra 
I disagree about the crisis thing. Itโs definitely not close to what people make it to be, nor is it somehow โworseโ than what people are imagining. People (especially Catholic YouTubers) literally talk about this โgreat crisisโ every single day. Thereโs no possible way it can be worse than people are saying since it gets mentioned so often. Anecdotally, I donโt think things are as bad as YouTube or online folks say. There have always been problems in the church for 2,000 years. I just donโt see this huge crisis. Maybe a crisis of the media being horrible and people being too into gossip and church politics. Thatโs probably the worst thing the church is facing.
Hi Mark,
Have you read the document written by Cardinal Pell against the Pontificate of Pope Francis?
It is true that the position of the SSPX is irreconcilable with Tradition, but this obsfucates from the bigger issue.
If you have a problem with Francis catechising your children, how do you not have a problem submitting to his Magisterium? It is not as though he is orthodox there but a heretic elsewhere. Yet we know that submission to the Pontifical Magisterium is necessary for all Catholics, since it is protected from pernicious error.
Furthermore, the big issue is Vatican II. If Vatican II is a product of the Catholic Church, then She has defected, because it teaches heresy. She has not defected. Ergo etc. The solution is sedevacantism, difficult as it may be. It is not ‘imaginative.’
The evil of Pope Francis lie not in explicit heresy but in his spending as much as he can the consideration on the elasticity of conscience and moral culpability. Kind of like a judge who outwardly confesses the law but then recklessly pardons people because “he feels they don’t deserve the full penalty.”
It certainly lies in explicit heresy (i.e. religious liberty in Evangelii Gaudium 255). This is in his ‘Magisterium.’ It is impossible that a true Pope teach such a thing.
It would probably be better to discuss this in a live conversation if possible
Sure. Whenever you can.
Also, what happened to the papal infallibility florilegium that you had posted?
I started a new recently. But contact me on my email erickybarra2010@gmail.com and I can let you know when I’m available