Schismatics, the SSPX, and Sedes w/ John Salza

John Salza, a long-time Catholic apologist, has made an extremely good case against the ecclesiological convictions of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). I’ve long said before that, whatever one might legitimately point out about the issues with the current state of the hierarchy in the Catholic Church, the solution embedded into the SSPX narrative is irreconcilable with Scripture, Tradition, and the consensus of the Fathers/Theologians. Consequently, there is no hope within the SSPX to regain something from the Apostolic tradition as understood by historic Catholic theology. Anyone involved would do well to rethink their steps, revisit the cogency of their position in light of what men like Salza are saying, and hopefully see the ecclesiological dead-end in the SSPX for what it is. Salza and Fradd do wonders in this video.

Nevertheless, if one were to think that this interview was supporting the pendulum-swing opposite of cheering on the Pontificate of Pope Francis, in either doctrine or discipline, they might be surprised to find a rather glaring 2-min segment between 2:40:55 and 2:42:20 which I’ve transcribed below. Anyone who listened to the whole video would not be surprised overall since even Salza himself expressed elsewhere in the video his difficulties with the continuity between the traditional Catholic doctrine of Church/State and the extremely controversial decree Dignitatis Humanae, what appears to be St. John Paul II’s “extremely scandalous” sin against the faith when he publicly kissed the Quran, the “Pachamama” event, and a variety of other issues related to the liturgy.

What this shows is that while people are sure to benefit from the clear and convincing case against the imaginative solutions in sedevacantism and the SSPX, this is not meant to squelch all the difficulties that are involved in dealing with the current crisis within Catholicism. One is urged to remain firm in the unity of the Catholic Church by strict adherence to the unity of the Apostolic See, a principle, however difficult to cope with, that is well established in Church history. But no one is put under an illusion that all is well, that we should ignore talking about the problems that are unmistakably displayed by the Roman Pontiff himself and spread throughout the hierarchy, nor that every problem is safely solved. If today’s issues do not exclude the kind of thought that the heir to St. Peter’s throne could be a danger to our children, were he to be a children’s catechist, let alone Pope, then the point of this interview cannot be entirely one of relief.

No, the problem(s) are still there, and they don’t appear to be going anywhere soon. The aim here is not so much ecclesiastical therapy or one’s finally casting off the burden of anxiety that comes with joining what appears to be the antithesis of the real Apostolic patrimony as much as it is simply the raw persevering of the legal principles that undergird the essence of Catholic ecclesiology, come what may. In my own mind, this kind of candid admission from prominent Catholic speakers does not leave us without a bit of self-reflection. Regardless of how theologically correct the arguments are, this should also calibrate just how we treat folks who are flying off to sedevacantism, the SSPX, Eastern Orthodox, Protestantism, and whatever alternative happens to appear especially sweet from the current sewage-vantage point. If anything else were also clear, it is the sheer inconsistency of making one’s undiluted aim of attacking dissent within while also being forced by the undeniable evidence, even if it occurs in a few minutes of time, to admit the matter that plagues all of these souls in the first place anyway.

๐— ๐—ฎ๐˜๐˜ ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ฑ๐—ฑ: ๐˜ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ’๐˜ด ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ด๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ… ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ ๐˜๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ด. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด๐˜บ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ค ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ณ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ด… ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜จ๐˜ฉ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜บ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ด๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด, ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฌ.. ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ ๐˜๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฆ๐˜น๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ. ๐˜š๐˜ฐ ๐˜ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฌ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด. ๐‘ฐ’๐’Ž ๐’๐’๐’• ๐’Ž๐’‚๐’Œ๐’Š๐’๐’ˆ ๐’•๐’‰๐’Š๐’” ๐’„๐’๐’‚๐’Š๐’Ž, ๐’ƒ๐’–๐’• ๐’„๐’๐’–๐’๐’…๐’’๐’• ๐’Š๐’• ๐’ƒ๐’† ๐’•๐’‰๐’† ๐’„๐’‚๐’”๐’† ๐’•๐’‰๐’‚๐’• ๐‘ท๐’๐’‘๐’† ๐‘ญ๐’“๐’‚๐’๐’„๐’Š๐’” ๐’Š๐’” ๐’‚๐’ ๐’‚๐’˜๐’‡๐’–๐’ ๐‘ท๐’๐’‘๐’†, ๐’•๐’‰๐’‚๐’• ๐‘ฐ ๐’˜๐’๐’–๐’๐’…๐’’๐’• ๐’†๐’—๐’†๐’ ๐’˜๐’‚๐’๐’• ๐’‰๐’Š๐’Ž ๐’•๐’ ๐’ƒ๐’† ๐’‚ ๐’„๐’‚๐’•๐’†๐’„๐’‰๐’Š๐’”๐’• ๐’‡๐’๐’“ ๐’Ž๐’š 5-๐’š๐’†๐’‚๐’“-๐’๐’๐’… ๐’„๐’‰๐’Š๐’๐’…, ๐’๐’†๐’• ๐’‚๐’๐’๐’๐’† ๐‘ท๐’๐’‘๐’†, ๐’‚๐’๐’… ๐’š๐’†๐’• ๐’‰๐’† ๐’ƒ๐’† ๐’•๐’‰๐’† ๐’•๐’“๐’–๐’† ๐‘ท๐’๐’‘๐’†.

๐—๐—ผ๐—ต๐—ป ๐—ฆ๐—ฎ๐—น๐˜‡๐—ฎ: ๐˜–๐˜ฉ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜บ. ๐˜๐˜ต’๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐’”๐’„๐’‚๐’๐’…๐’‚๐’๐’๐’–๐’” ๐’•๐’‰๐’Š๐’๐’ˆ๐’” ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐’†๐’—๐’†๐’ ๐’•๐’‚๐’–๐’ˆ๐’‰๐’• ๐’˜๐’‰๐’‚๐’• ๐’‚๐’‘๐’‘๐’†๐’‚๐’“ ๐’•๐’ ๐’ƒ๐’† ๐’ˆ๐’“๐’‚๐’—๐’† ๐’†๐’“๐’“๐’๐’“๐’”, ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜จ๐˜ฉ ๐˜ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜”๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ต… ๐˜ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ’๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜จ๐˜ฉ ๐˜ข ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ, ๐˜’๐˜ฎ ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ธ๐˜บ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ, ๐˜’๐˜ฎ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ป๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ… ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ’๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ , ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ’๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต’๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ถ๐˜ด…. ๐˜บ๐˜ข ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ’๐˜ด 24 ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜บ, ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ญ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ ๐˜๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜บ? ๐˜’๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ, ๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ต…

๐— ๐—ฎ๐˜๐˜ ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ฑ๐—ฑ: ๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ, ๐’„๐’–๐’› ๐‘ฐ ๐’•๐’‰๐’Š๐’๐’Œ ๐’•๐’‰๐’† ๐’„๐’“๐’Š๐’”๐’Š๐’” ๐’Š๐’” ๐’†๐’—๐’†๐’ ๐’˜๐’๐’“๐’”๐’• ๐’•๐’‰๐’‚๐’ ๐’†๐’—๐’†๐’ ๐‘ป๐’‚๐’š๐’๐’๐’“ ๐‘ด๐’‚๐’“๐’”๐’‰๐’‚๐’๐’ ๐’„๐’๐’–๐’๐’… ๐’•๐’‰๐’Š๐’๐’Œ… ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜’๐˜ฎ ๐˜ซ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ค๐˜บ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ… ๐˜ ๐˜ซ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜บ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ ๐˜๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต’๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜๐˜ฆ’๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ.

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8 thoughts on “Schismatics, the SSPX, and Sedes w/ John Salza

  1. I disagree about the crisis thing. Itโ€™s definitely not close to what people make it to be, nor is it somehow โ€œworseโ€ than what people are imagining. People (especially Catholic YouTubers) literally talk about this โ€œgreat crisisโ€ every single day. Thereโ€™s no possible way it can be worse than people are saying since it gets mentioned so often. Anecdotally, I donโ€™t think things are as bad as YouTube or online folks say. There have always been problems in the church for 2,000 years. I just donโ€™t see this huge crisis. Maybe a crisis of the media being horrible and people being too into gossip and church politics. Thatโ€™s probably the worst thing the church is facing.

  2. It is true that the position of the SSPX is irreconcilable with Tradition, but this obsfucates from the bigger issue.

    If you have a problem with Francis catechising your children, how do you not have a problem submitting to his Magisterium? It is not as though he is orthodox there but a heretic elsewhere. Yet we know that submission to the Pontifical Magisterium is necessary for all Catholics, since it is protected from pernicious error.

    Furthermore, the big issue is Vatican II. If Vatican II is a product of the Catholic Church, then She has defected, because it teaches heresy. She has not defected. Ergo etc. The solution is sedevacantism, difficult as it may be. It is not ‘imaginative.’

    • The evil of Pope Francis lie not in explicit heresy but in his spending as much as he can the consideration on the elasticity of conscience and moral culpability. Kind of like a judge who outwardly confesses the law but then recklessly pardons people because “he feels they don’t deserve the full penalty.”

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